Many Who What - Episode #80 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:19 Jason Atwood: This is the 80th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the first week of March, 2012. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, you're a cloud community expert. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me is the co-host for the moment, for the 80th time. And maybe the next 80 going forward.

Justin Edelstein: It's Justin Edelstein. Justin, how are you doing? You know, you said the title differently than I would have said it. Well, how would you have said it? I would have said many who what? Many who what? Like a question. Oh, I didn't do this with a question. Because they're questions. It is. Well, two of them are questions. Sort of.

Jason Atwood: So we have an agenda today. We always have an agenda today. Well, not last week.

Justin Edelstein: Well, we missed last week. We said we were going to. Oh, that's right. I was on vacation. We told everybody. Oh, that was good. No, yeah, we planned that.

Jason Atwood: I was planning. We owe somebody, we owe somebody, we owe them an apology. Not really.

Justin Edelstein: We don't. We said we weren't gonna be here. There's no. But we've done weeks where there have been two. So, there's. There's. There's. There's. There's. There's. a..'.- it of,, the I,

Jason Atwood: -- that ever made this podcast.

Justin Edelstein: We would have had to not sponsor our own podcast.

Jason Atwood: It would have had to get a real sponsor. It would have been $15, $20 just for the Skyping, not to mention the uploading. All righty, so. Definitely wouldn't have worked. And it definitely wouldn't have worked. All right, so we got an agenda. We got a couple catch up on some blog posts. We have two. We're going to talk about one. We're going to mention the other one. And then we also have some news about Oracle And we Call it a day, alright? app, or I guess service by Apple, which has its basis in the cloud because it's it is basically messages which came out for the iOS tied into the new iOS for the iPhone. So replace SMS because you could sit on a contact and in the SMS platform instead of sending a text.

Jason Atwood: It would know that the other person had an iPhone 4 on the new platform, on the new OS, and it would say, hey, you can send them an i.i. message. And it would just instantly change the code. It wouldn't even say that. It just doesn't.

03:28 Justin Edelstein: It's kind of funny because I texted, I thought I was texting my cousin yesterday, and I don't text her very often. Clearly, not. No. I'm sorry. All of a sudden it turned blue and I said, oh I had an iPhone. I had no idea she had an iPhone. You start to type in the button turns. So let's explain what it is.

Jason Atwood: They're using basically sell your text. They're now replacing that with sending data using your data connection.

Justin Edelstein: See oh our texts are going down our data usage has gone up. No we can do that I couldn't do that right this minute, but we could I mean that's the kind of fun thing that I like to do on the Why didn't you do it?

Jason Atwood: So I could take a look I have not as of yet interesting Geeky analysis to do right because we have we're on an unlimited text plan for all the text and we had talked to what it is, it has a couple of textings it shows deliver,

Justin Edelstein: It shows read receipt if the person decides to send it I was talking to I-chat, which I guess is not called an I-chat anymore. So our partner sees somebody, read his, that's because that person that he sent the iMessage to You love this thing, but you won't turn out. It was kind of a funny conversation.

Jason Atwood: Anyway, so that was something they were launched back in November of last year. We all went immediately thought, wow, that's very cool. Wouldn't it be good? And we heard rumors that it was then going to show up on the desktop in... in OS X line or whatever as part of messages, meaning as part of your iChat. So they have now combined it. So now, the thing that you have on your desktop, your chatting messages and the thing you have on your iPad, which is now you can send iMessage, which I think is one of the bigger things for a non-connected iPad, you can now use iMessage. So people who could never text because they didn't have a cell phoneiasco you can now use basically your iPad as a texting thing a Wi-Fi well even if you have the cellular thing but you never had text with that you just had had cellular so it really is not only is it better as just a texting mechanism because of the reader seats and because of the thing that was delivered which is good but now it's totally cross-platform and this is a blog post about the review of them bringing it into the desktop app so from the desktop you can text you can iMessage or message people on iPads, on iPhones, or on other desktops.

07:20 Jason Atwood: So it's kind of connects them all and what it does, although I think this is probably what the review says, it syncs them. So you can start a conversation on your iPhone, texting somebody, and then go over to your iPad, open it up, and your conversation is right there. The messages that you're sending back and forth are there. You can then go to your desktop, and then open up your chat or your message and send a message. And the whole conversation that you start on your iPhone, that you continue on your iPad, and that you're now completing on your desktop, it's all the same. And it's all there.

Justin Edelstein: Yep, I'll take over because you're running out of breath. Whew! It, since it's a messages app and it's taken- taken over for iChat, it also includes AIM, Jabber, yep. other messaging services. And that's the one thing you gotta figure out when you're setting this up for yourself. When we first started using messages, you and I, I had two threads for you. There was one that was Jabber and one that was iMessage and it was because I didn't have your Jabber username. on your contact record in my address book. Once I combined, once I basically put your jabber into my address book, all of a sudden, boom, you're in one thread, you're seeing iMessages and jabber messages, and you can sort of just flip back and forth. The one thing you gotta make sure to do in that window is to make sure that if you wanna send them a jabber message, make sure you're not sending them an iMessage, because...

Justin Edelstein: You know that then it's annoying it goes to the phone. Well it goes everywhere, but it's like if you want to just stay in Jabber or I am make sure you're I am so what did the review say did? well, they're The review because we told people how to configure it kind of what we just talked about right some of the pros which is essentially the universal communication. If you would have told me, I mean back at our large company where we were into- Nameless company. You know, unified communication services. Where we work in the city of New York. Right. And we were working on these OCS, Microsoft, like these. promises of delivering this ubiquitous and unified communication platform or merely $36 per user per month. For an enterprise, think about having that as a consumer for free.

Justin Edelstein: Well, not for free, you have to have Apple products. And that's the big con. Yeah, it works on Apple products.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, this is an Apple only messaging system. But it's for consumers.

Justin Edelstein: It's tied to your Mac, to your iOS device. And that is it for today's video. We'll see you on the next video. It's pretty neat to be able to do that. In the review, there is mention of some comparable services like Google Voice. There are some things that Google Voice completely lacks that doesn't... It's not a message, it's a voice service, so it doesn't really have a messaging. But it has texting. Yeah, I mean, but it doesn't have multimedia, it doesn't have groups, it doesn't have the conversation, like it doesn't have all of that tied into one thing. But you can have a similar experience on the Google platform if you have a droid phone and you're a Google guy and you got the Chrome and everything going on. You got everything going? Everything going.

10:45 Justin Edelstein: I personally love iMessage. I'm a huge fan of iMessage. My usage of WhatsApp, which to me was the predecessor to iMessage, it was the core. And it still has a leg, because it's cross platform. But I know fewer and fewer people these days that aren't on the iOS platform. I mean... Android's doing a nice job, and People's contracts come up and that iPhone is just so enticing there Like I have two friends who just moved off of blackberries That have been blackberry users for years, right? And they moved to iPhones because they and they were just like it was weird because they did, did it sort of begrudgingly because they felt You know tied to that black like they've been using blackberry forever And they were like, I bit the bullet or like, you know, a statement like that.

Justin Edelstein: I finally bit the bullet. And now it's like, yeah. Yeah. Now it's like three or four months later. And they're like, why didn't I do this three years ago? And it's a, yeah., why didn't you, I think there's, it's, it's an interesting phenomenon

Jason Atwood: Because Apple being, and this is going to take another side rant, but Apple as, as a company way back when, and even started to do it with their differently campaign they they Suppose that they were different and the people who have Mac products were different and back when Apple had 1% of one market are about to disappear, it was going to be bought up or destroyed and basically Steve Jobs came and along with the other work of hundreds of people turned it around. You know it was sort of like there was a pride, there was also two sides, there was a pride of being a Mac user. There was also like a cult of being a Mac user. Cult, but also sort of a little bit of arrogance to being a Mac user. It's like, oh you poor poor PC people, you don't know any better.

Jason Atwood: Like, you're using a platform, it's cheap and it's whatever, but it's really not as good as mine. It's more expensive, but it's better and you'll feel figured out someday. And I think that's moved over with the iPhone and the first iPhone. Like, people who bought the first iPhone, like us crazy people who stayed in line. They weren't, they were Mac people, right? They understood the Mac thing. They wanted to be the first one to own the Mac. They were Mac people, but they were also... Burst iPhone, I'm talking about. I Right.

Justin Edelstein: That was the best of breed. It was clearly the best. It was more expensive, but it was way better. And they had Apple software on their computer. They had iTunes right right so Safari or something right something, but even though at the time I don't think Safari existed on a PC, but they had iTunes right which was an Apple so they had Apple product Hardware and Apple software running on their PC, and I think that that really led to people being like, okay, this is gonna be a phone with an iPod in it. And now it's not that, it's not a phone with an iPod. Now it's Uber phone and there just so happens to be an iPod in it. It can do millions of things, one of the things we can do is play videos.

13:50 Justin Edelstein: Be an iPod. Be an iPod.

Jason Atwood: I was just saying, but I think that that attitude has still, that sort of slash between.... You know, the crazy ones, the, a little bit of arrogance, the, there's still a group, there's still an attitude towards Mac people. You know, that is still a little bit like, oh yeah, you're just a Mac person. It's being wiped away because who isn't at this point? Who doesn't have an iPad, iPhone, iPod, or a Mac device? Like, it's almost nobody.

Justin Edelstein: This is becoming the Apple show, but that's okay. They're, well, no, I mean, their new stuff is all about cloud and this clearly leverages some greater messaging service that lives in the ether out there. Well, that's in that big data center in North Carolina. And their new stuff, you see, like a lot of the commercials lately have been all around iCloud. It shows up here, it shows up there, but just to the last point of this before we hit more Apple stuff later, I would have never thought, you know, I'd go visit my parents and my dad, I would have never thought that there'd be a Mac in that house and there are four, right? And there's only three of them. So there's four Macs, three people. Like they like they just totally abandoned they all have iPhones There's two iPads.

Justin Edelstein: There's four MacBooks. Sorry. There's three MacBooks and a 27 inch iMac right big one Whatever size it is now So I think they've made that foray that that I've said that word twice in this podcast that that entrance And the iPod really did it, but the iPhone was like, OK. And then you you start to use the other devices and you get into that. What's the word I'm looking for? The ecosystem and everything sort of works together. Yeah, it's one of the it's one of those things. I think it's becoming less and less like, oh, those Mac people. Because if you walk into a Starbucks and there's people with laptops. their MacBooks. Yeah. They really are.

Jason Atwood: So, all right, we'll come back and we'll talk about the new products they're going to announce in a bit. I'll make a little prediction, but let's go on and talk about, let's talk about the opposite of cloud. No, let's talk about Oracle. Well, this is cloud. It is cloud. It's true. It's cloud.

Justin Edelstein: So what happened with Oracle? So I think it actually happened a couple weeks ago where Oracle decided that they would purchase Taleo. And this caught my eye because I've used Taleo a couple of times both as a person who's applied for jobs via Taleo. And you know what's funny? We're looking at this page just a quick aside. Google's getting so good with these ads. I don't know if it's Google or somebody. But this page on ReadWrite Enterprise has these banner ads everywhere. And mine are for like desk.com, Jive Software, like all these apps that you would think that I'd be very interested in. Yours are like Salesforce, Salesforce, Salesforce. Salesforce, Salesforce. They're getting very good at this. Anyway, that was a quick aside. So, Tulio, I've... So I've both applied for jobs using Taleo, a couple of them.

17:14 Justin Edelstein: And I've also used Taleo on the backend as a person who's hiring somebody and managing that process. It's a lot more than just a recruiting tool, but it is a cloud-based tool. if you were to, I don't know, have you ever logged into it or looked at it from the back end?

Jason Atwood: Oh no, not from the back end, but from, I might have done it for the first time, but I had not applied for a job in as though, 15 years, so.

Justin Edelstein: It seems as though somebody from Salesforce, and I think this might actually have been the case, left Salesforce, 8. seven however many years ago Taleo was started and created Salesforce for HR recruiting because everything's the same down to like I think even the pod names are like you're on like na something dot Taleo calm I believe and it has like all the same like recent items hovers related lists very very very similar to what you would expect in looking at a Salesforce screen but types of functions, right? And it's a pure cloud public cloud play, right? Like no hardware software. It's Oracle Saying we you know, we're buying our way into this game, right? We believe in it because we're purchasing Taleo Some quick stats on Taleo that I thought I thought were interesting was You know one in particular 15% of all Hires made in the US are managed in toleo.

Justin Edelstein: That's an astounding. That's a lot And I was just wondering like what is Oracle gonna do with this? Are they gonna just swallow this and as this image this Oracle image of a cloud with the chicklets with their chicklets? And and is this just gonna get swallowed into this? Oracle public cloud thing that includes fusion ERP Oracle social network fusion sales and marketing Oracle right now service like all these things that I'm not even sure what they are like is to Leo gonna just Disappear into the ether or and become some Oracle branded thing or I wonder if they'll let to Leo I think they have some serious brand equity live on their own.

Jason Atwood: Yeah It's interesting, it's only interesting, it's like an arms race. Right, you watch these companies start to buy off, we've watched integration companies get bought. Boomi, by Dell, Cast Iron by IBM, Informatica by somebody very very soon. Just safe harbor, don't know anything I'm talking about. But, you know, and then we see people go after human capital management stuff, recruiting applications, Salesforce has bought some, productivity software to do applications. Like, you can just see them go down this path of buying out these pieces, and it's always interesting when you see, like, an Oracle who you would think could have the ability to build these things, they certainly could build the architecture to do it. but then go buy the company because they're buying either talent, they're buying brand.

20:40 Justin Edelstein: Is there a price on it? What was the.. Oh I didn't see a price. Wasn't.. I mean it's... Sorry to say I did not see a price in this article. It might have just been like a..

Jason Atwood: You know an intent. But yet yet another shot across the bow of Salesforce. I mean... Saying hey listen you guys want to get in... I know you guys just bought, who was the company they just bought?

Justin Edelstein: Oh, they did the... But that product that they bought has nowhere close to what Taleo does. Whatever it is, and then sell, and then... That was like a, again, that was a buzzwordy social, mobile...

Jason Atwood: Talent manager thing. Not like real deal. This is, we're gonna buy one of the best, biggest things out there.

Justin Edelstein: This is what big, big-wig companies use to recruit. Right. And manage... the process of hiring people. I mean, it has some really nice features and really nice. Does it have an integration with Salesforce? Not that I know of. I didn't mind. I don't know of it though. All right. I didn't try to do it when I was managing it at a former company. Well. And I was managing Salesforce and I was managing Tuleo and I didn't try to integrate the two. to. Good job. Well, it didn't make a whole lot of sense, to be honest.

Jason Atwood: Recruiting onboarding, did you do any of your onboarding stuff in Salesforce? No. No.

Justin Edelstein: It just didn't make a whole lot of sense.

Jason Atwood: Speaking of not making a lot of sense, wait, or speaking of people, that's better. We are... currently working with a sneaky peek. We are. Which is something that came from Omni Group, I like, of Many Who or I guess the start of Many Who. This is true, which is Many Task. Many Who Task. So I thought we'd talk about it. You know, it was enabled in our org the other day. I think about... last weekend playing it all playing with it over the weekend and Just for those of you who are just turning into the podcast now many who is the concept of being able to associate in Salesforce you can attach a task or an event or an activity in Salesforce to a who one who and one what? The what would be like an account or an opportunity or a project something custom The who would be a contact or a lead.

Jason Atwood: And so it's always that many who, many, or sorry, that one to one, you can only have one of each, which is nice because when you're looking at either one from either side, I'm looking at the opportunity, I can see that it's attached, this task or event is attached to that opportunity. I'm looking at an account, but I'm also looking at a lead or contact, I can see it on their side as well. That's been the power for a long time. But when you're inviting multiple people, or not inviting, When you have a task that relates to three or four leads, you basically have to pick one lead or one contact, one who, to be able to see it on. So if I have a task that involves, you know, three customers, I can only attach it to one customer, and therefore I can only see it on theirs.

Jason Atwood: The other three it wouldn't show up on. So forever, in a day, as far as I remember, there's been the idea exchange with please have many who, which is allow me to associate a task and event to multiple who's, multiple leads or multiple contacts, multiple who's. So this is, because of spring 12 and there's a new pilot of this, it is the start of that, which is many who but with tasks. And what it allows you to do is go in and add a new task. Now the task screen looks a little different. In fact, you see the box looks a little different like oh, that's the the sort of Look up box. It's grayed out because it is no longer a standard pickless box or standard, you know HTML box it is now a you know It's now a multiple pick thing and you can go in and you can associate very

24:28 Justin Edelstein: Interestingly many people It looks a lot like If you've ever used the Salesforce calendar to add invitees, when you go to the bottom of a event and you say, add invitees, you click that button and it brings up like a search box and then it has the results and the selected list. It works exactly that way.

Jason Atwood: Right. or more, and then you save the task. When you go to the other, when you go to any one of those contacts, any of the who's, you can see the task in their activity history or open activities, related to the, and you'll see, you'll see that task. You click on the task from before, so that's the good.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. The bad is... Oh wait, there's more good. Let's keep going on the good. What's more good? Well, there's one more thing that they did well, is that... It is one task. Oh, yes. So it's not just creating four of them. So if you close the task or complete the task or change the status of the task in one place, that happens everywhere. So it is one task. So I think what you were about to say is one of the cons. sounds. So far is if you were to look at the task It shows you who it's related to From where you clicked on it and then like a plus Two or plus three or a plus number which essentially says this task is related to this person from where you clicked on it plus three others.

Justin Edelstein: I'm not going to tell you who those three are right here, right now. So you kind of have to guess, or you can click the edit button, and maybe I'll show you there,

Jason Atwood: But otherwise I'm not going to show you. Right, it doesn't show you, like in most times when you relate things to multiple places, it shows up in sort of a way to this. So this isn't in a way this, it just shows you there's... Plus more some more. So this is the start because it's the very first very beginning We're very happy with tasking because that is good. Although Salesforce tasking we use it, but not tremendously I know a lot of people do this is going to become tremendous when it gets to events because that's the biggest

Justin Edelstein: Ass Well, there's two Like an email in Salesforce is really just a task. Yep, but I don't see this in email just yet, like that type of task. Right. So I'd like for it to go there so I can say, oh okay,

Jason Atwood: This email I sent is related to three or four or five people. And you think of how that goes down and starts to like, right, how it starts to the complexity goes from the tentacles. Yeah. In which it reaches into outlook. Into email the thing. Into the email templating system. I mean it just... It could get very big very fast and the biggest place where I think the lift will

27:32 Justin Edelstein: Be is with events Because I don't know too many people that actually use Salesforce events and their calendar as like the main calendar Besides us besides us as crazy people, but you do invite more than one person to an event often. Yeah, like it's not, you know, it's not unheard of or that uncommon that you're having a meeting with more than one contact in your database. It'd be lovely to have that event show up. Every to every invitee. Right. So right now that doesn't But it's coming and in I mean, I know they're working on it, right?

Jason Atwood: It's it's it's gonna be See what the limitations are on how many you can invite.

Justin Edelstein: Well, there's things about like I'm sure there are a lot of decisions like if somebody if you invite somebody to an event Let's just use two people as an example And one accepts and one declines like that's a it doesn't matter it's sort of a little differently they don and in the event.

Jason Atwood: You'll see the event for two contacts or three contacts you'll see the event in the activity.

Justin Edelstein: Well, we don't know what we're gonna see Yeah, you're making the It is, I don't know how often this would ever happen, but it is stuck in many contacts or many leads. It's not many who. It's not, can I relate this task to a contact and a lead? Right. I can't do that. It's still not sure when you actually would or why that scenario makes any sense, but I can campaigning at that point. Yeah, I mean, I can think of a time where you might want You're getting a referral from a contact to a lead and you want a task that sort of you have to do for both of them I could see where the use case would come up. It's an edge case that some Some IT person somewhere would say well, you can't do that.

Justin Edelstein: It's like well, why would you want to do that? I don't care, but you can't do it sounds like you've been meeting with IT people. Sounds that way Yeah, but it's like I don't care why I care that you can because somebody will want to do that do it Someone will yeah So, I don't know. But you can't do that currently. Anyway, but anyway, it's not, it's not a knock on the, on the pilot. We understand completely that it's a pilot. Hopefully it's okay. We're talking about this right now. But we've been using it for a week. The last pilot we get into. I will say hasn't changed my life, because you don't do tasks.

30:34 Jason Atwood: I don't do tasks when it comes on events it will change my life. Yes when it's on events It'll change my life in terms of adding people in and when it eventually comes to emails.

Justin Edelstein: It'll change my life again.

Jason Atwood: Yeah All right So that's it for a sneaky peek last thing I think we'll talk R4 get on to our cloud focus after the week because it's hard not to talk about it is The next the event next week for Apple since we will probably do our podcast after that event So we will be able to round up what happened pumping stuff out from.

Justin Edelstein: I remember a year or two ago, like, Steve Jobs was on the stage and And he was like guys you got to turn your stuff off turn your and the a the I A There's gotta be something really serious brewing. I don't know let's talk about the iPad so there I don't know anything about this like here's what the rumor is and we can talk a little bit about it I'll tell you if I think it's gonna be true or not and if I like it so it's iPad iPad 3 I like it.

Jason Atwood: All, right, it will be It the rumors is gonna have a quad core processor. I like it. I want it. It's going to have a retina display. Yeah, that's good. I watch Netflix and stuff for a while. It will be unbelievable. They'll have to update their standards because it will be beyond that. Okay, I want that. It will, the form factor and all that will be very much the same. That's fine.

Justin Edelstein: And... I can't really see why they would change it all that much. It's pretty good. it.

Jason Atwood: And it might have some new net might have new Bluetooth 4 which is a nice standard. It's a lower emission standard It doesn't use much power I'm making a face at that one Yeah It doesn't really mean anything it doesn't until I think they connect it with other stuff because Bluetooth 4 can do stuff It can basically stay connected to stuff and not use a lot of battery power to stay connected If it can connect to my Jambox. It, I don't know if Jambox is using Bluetooth 4. But anyway, so,

33:35 Justin Edelstein: But that really is. That's all you're thinking? That's, no that's all that's hard. That's the hardware piece. Yeah, because no one's seeing what the software is. Because the software is the jam. But we know it's going to run the iOS. We know it's going to run it faster. So you think we're going to see new iOS?

Jason Atwood: Don't think so iOS 6 I think we'll see where they have to five now are we on five? We're on five not five one, so I think this will show five one and five one will have stuff in it Well, where's the cloud stuff? Let's tie this together Realistically anything what are we doing with the cloud here? Well, let me speak and then I'll so one of the rumors is that the sizes of it are gonna be smaller I mean, it's gonna they used to have one that went to 64 I think they're gonna show a 16 and a 32 and not go to where everybody's saying it was wouldn't it be great to have 128 gig storage but they're saying because Apple's whole thing now is about the iCloud and that you really don't store stuff as much we want you to download we want you to that- they're not gonna and the cost of putting 128 I think they're gonna stay to a 64 so you're gonna get a 16 a 32 and a 64 they're not gonna up it 32 has been a good spot for me.

Jason Atwood: 32 has been absolutely fine. There are times when I wanted more.

Justin Edelstein: A first one was 16 I needed more got the 32 I've been perfectly content with it.

Jason Atwood: I would love a 64 only because I'd like to

Justin Edelstein: I find that I just use Netflix quite a bit. Yeah, well that's just using Netflix. I know, but that's the point. Like, I don't know if... You also have an iPad One.

Jason Atwood: I do. So you can't run like all the cool stuff I can run, you're just saying. Like what? Apple TV, the set-top box, the box, not the new TV. The thing that I'm pointing at right now. Yeah, it's the little black box, little $99. They're gonna release a new version of it. And that new version, that new processor in it, it also is gonna have new connections like Bluetooth 4. And it is going to have... more memory and stuff like that and that that is going to be the sort of connection to the iPad 2 in that they're going to work really really well together.

Justin Edelstein: IPad 3. iPad 3.

Jason Atwood: That that new box, that new $99 box that connects up to your TV. HDMI and this thing are going to work because of the power and the way they connect. They're going to show you stuff of the way that this... box and this iPad 3 connect that's gonna be like oh I gotta have not just that I gotta have both of them.

Justin Edelstein: So hopefully it'll have things like you know complete can you do this already complete like screen mirroring like safari you can so like it's not done great the days of having Mega hardware in a conference room could turn into let's have an iPad and

Jason Atwood: An Apple TV connected to a 60 inch plasma on the wall So what we haven't discuss and we're missing a whole piece of news which is mountain lion but I don't want to the apple show but mountain lion is a new operating system that let's not talk about mountain lion one thing they talked about is that you will be able to push your whole screen to the Apple TV as well. Oh, I like that. So then there that goes, then you don't have, you have a TV and you have an Apple TV. You have a TV and an Apple TV and your conference room. And then anybody can move images onto it and display stuff and swap in and out.

37:01 Justin Edelstein: I wanna like, I'm making the gesture, I wanna flick things from my iPad to the screen. Yeah, okay.

Jason Atwood: Like that's the kind of sexiness that I want at Apple. I want to flick things to the big screen. So let me talk about where I think this is going to be interesting and then we'll find out next week. I think they're going to show us a whole new gaming experience. I'm going to hold you to these things. Because gaming and media experience that because this new Apple TV is going to have a new processor and be really powerful and have be able to do 1080p,

Justin Edelstein: Which you can't do now. So am I going to want this thing? Is that what you're saying? Let me get through it. OK.

Jason Atwood: The Apple III is going to have all this new, I mean a quad core processing it's a lot for this little device and retina display and new ways of communicating meaning Bluetooth 4 which I think is both more powerful can move more data and it's lower emission meaning is lower power stinking or sucking I think they're going to show a new experience of interacting with this device and your TV that is going to make a lot of people go, hmm, and whether that's a gaming experience, whether that's a media experience, whether that's a watching stuff and you know sending stuff back and forth like it works now but it doesn't have a seamlessness and I think it's based on the power of the both devices. With you bump up the power of these devices, I think they will be able to show you some really cool stuff that we've only seen them show a little bit of that they're going to demo.

Jason Atwood: And people like Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo are all going to go, oh man. So I think that's... I think it's going to have a gaming aspect that's going to make people... That's your big prediction. The gaming. coming. I think it's gonna show a level of gaming that you haven't seen before with devices that we both have but it's just gonna be Blown away.

Justin Edelstein: That's my prediction Interesting cuz I don't I don't play as many games as you do on my iOS devices. I played very simple games Yes, like I just recently got into flick golf. I love the flick. Yeah, it's For me the flick games are where it's at because I've tried I bought the Madden for the iPad I'm like I've tried I can't it's not good It's not fun man control just I need buttons to play those games

Jason Atwood: That's where are millions of games some of them are me yeah, but

Justin Edelstein: I don't know the statistics, but I have to imagine that Madden is where Sony and Nintendo and whomever else Xbox make a ton of money.

Jason Atwood: Not much in more. Like sports games, you don't think so? No, these big games like these ones that come out these war games and stuff like... So are those experiences just as good without buttons and controls and joysticks? Again, let's wait to see what happens. I think they're gonna show you an experience that's gonna be they're not putting anything out with any buttons on it No, there's nothing buttons are not in apples.

Justin Edelstein: You're not you're gonna go away So let I give a pic that I've been seeing pop up here and there on the AppExchange and on Twitter getting some nice buzz. I haven't used it yet myself, again another pic that I haven't used, but I thought I'd pass this along to people who are both Salesforce users and... Google Apps users. It's a product called Cirrus Insight. Cirrus is spelled C-I-R-R-U-S and their website is cirrusinsight.com and what this does is it allows you to interact with Salesforce data inside of gmail.com. So you're inside your Gmail, and I'm gonna pull up for you some of the screenshots here. You're inside of your Gmail interface, and somebody sends you an email, and in context, it pulls up their contact record from within Salesforce.

41:09 Justin Edelstein: It also might show any open activities. We've seen this before. power.... We've seen this as a concept from Appirio.

Jason Atwood: Okay. What was in a, it was built in one of their, in that product management application.

Justin Edelstein: It was always a concept. Okay. I don't know if they ever actually did it. If there's some Appirio folks who are listening, let me know. I think they did it. They, they m- But it was based on their professional services app. Well, actually I got a demo a while back of this exact thing. and they built like the bridge, so maybe the backbone of this is something that Imperial built. But this is a product from Cirrus, and the screenshots that I'm looking at, you have the email that comes in from somebody, and then right there in the, in context, you're pulling up their contact information, any open or closed activities. And that's all the time we have for the week. We'll see you next week. Any open opportunities or open cases nice to have right?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, if you're if you're a salesperson and you're sending you're receiving an email back from somebody About like hey, why haven't you signed my proposal and they write back? You know whatever and you see oh crap, they have three open cases with me, right? Maybe that's why they're not Signing that proposal. Maybe I won't even send that email in the first place. So you gain these insights Hence the name, Serious Insights. And it has some other nice features, which is the ad. You know, an email comes to you in your inbox.

Jason Atwood: You can add it to Salesforce. So it will search and find if it has it, and then it'll say it's not there if you wanna add it.

Justin Edelstein: This email, now we have mail drop for Mac. I've received an incoming email. I wanna add that email to a... activity history here. That's pretty cool. Pretty nice right? I can create a lead or a contact right from inside of the mailbox if it doesn't exist. Does it read the signature? I think it's reading the header.

Jason Atwood: No but when you go to create something everybody has a signature right and it has all this information their phone, fax,

Justin Edelstein: Whatever. If it reads that signature, that would be really cool. I don't know if it does that or not. It's a good question. You can create activities, create tasks, write from within the interface. Pretty slick. Their pricing is also pretty good. Give me a price. Well, there's a free trial, free 30-day trial, which presumably gives you the free. See you next week. So this is a freemium product. Oh, it is female. Okay with free you get the instant Salesforce look up as soon as you open email So you get the look up to see the things You get to see the contact information and you get to search for contacts in Salesforce to display their profiles inside of Gmail If you want to pay $9 a user a month to get all those things that I just talked about You know logging calls logging activities creating new contacts saving the emails all those things nine bucks a month nine dollars a user a month Okay, that's not it's not too bad.

Justin Edelstein: That's not cheap That's not cheap not bad, but when you consider Gmail is $50 a user a year Yeah, it's a little much right and but if you're not an outlook person, and you use Gmail This does a lot more than Salesforce for Outlook does. Cool, and it was... It's called Cirrus Insights.

44:25 Jason Atwood: And you can find more information on that in the show notes. That's right. Good night. Alright, my one is called something I saw, downloaded, installed, played with for a bit. Then the beta ran out, so I had to download it again before. It's called... Co book our CEO book and it is a extension for for the Mac that basically goes and Sinks to your address book and then from there It puts a little menu bar up there and you can do things like search for people Obviously, that's you know, you can do that anywhere else But it will also connect them up to these social networks and be able to be pull in their social network Data, right?

Justin Edelstein: So This looks like Zabni It but on the Mac but it is it is like one of those things so it's

Jason Atwood: What's nice is it can pull down and sync to data So it'll sync your Facebook information in or pull in stuff from Facebook or LinkedIn or whatever I'm looking at this water.

Justin Edelstein: I'm sorry. I'm looking at your your screen because you were just showing to me What are those hashtags that it's doing up at the top there?

Jason Atwood: So it found all the It automatically added hashtags for me because it found this person in certain... I had in Facebook... in address book and it saw them... me connected to them in the social network. So it added a...

Justin Edelstein: Without giving up it added a hashtag called LinkedIn connection. It's my wife, you can guess. Right. It added a tag called Facebook family. Yep. It added a tag called Holiday Card. So presumably you use a group to send out your holiday cards in an address book. That's pretty neat.

Jason Atwood: So and it's got some neat things about adding. You can add data in pretty easily. And there's... You can click over to some... Yeah, you can click over to the other pieces of the network. Anyway, it's neat. It's free. It's CoBook. It's at CoBookApp.com. It's a beta right now. I'm sure they'll charge for it eventually. Kind of neat. It does do extending the data so it takes in data from outside and puts it inside on so it can find like, you know, information and put it onto their profile. I would say there's no perfect thing yet. I would love for one of these to sync with Salesforce. I haven't seen one yet.

Justin Edelstein: But anyway. Well Zabni does that on the PC side. PC side. I think I'm pronouncing it right. It's inbox backwards.

Jason Atwood: The inbox background. So free, co-book, again, in the show notes, check it out. speaking of things to check out, check out our new Facebook page. We're on facebook.com slash ArcaSync and we have the new Timeline View. We flipped it. Which we weren't going to talk about in terms of a story, but basically you can turn any Facebook page now into the new Timeline View. You go to facebook.com slash ArcaSync. You will see our new timeline view. You're saying different things because you're an owner.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. I put up a new, a big, huge picture of the. That's the Arkus cloud right there. Yep,

47:32 Jason Atwood: So it's cool. It's a nice, it's a nice view. It's a nice new new new new new new new new new new new. So you can see that. We're also on Twitter, Twitter.com slash ArcaSync or Twitter.com slash Jason and Matt. What a Twitter caught slash. I really liked this view for us. It works for us. Yeah, for, or just. Edelstein if the podcast remember to go to go to iTunes and subscribe to it iTunes saw some more subscribers. That's great No matter when we put out the podcast you will get it each describe an iTunes or use My app pick from two weeks ago, which I'm still using and still really like it's actually really really good It does everything I want to do like pod caster Oh, I forgot the name of it.

Jason Atwood: Instacast. Instacast. Instacast HD. Great app for the iPhone and iPad. There's two separate versions, but it allows you to do all the podcasting stuff. It does everything iTunes doesn't do, and it basically, you can disconnect your iTunes at that point. Because it... Sounds awesome. I haven't tried it yet. It downloads everything.

Justin Edelstein: Because every morning I, like, go to my iPhone and I hop into iTunes and I'm like... Get more episodes no download next one like I do that I should really move over this product really good and I've seen some people give you some feedback on Twitter that they like it too It's if you listen to

Jason Atwood: More than a couple podcasts, which I watch or watch I watch like a totally rad show We both do yep. It's it is very good. It tells me when the new stuff It can automatically down on the background. It just does it you wake up and you go and it deletes them once you watch them so it's like they're gone. Yeah, iTunes never did that well. Alright, that's it. Until next week and we'll see you, we will see you next week. We'll have a podcast We'll probably be talking a lot about the iPad 3 and other neat things. So tune in then. Otherwise, enjoy those cloudy days. Thank you.